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« Reply #30 on: June 02, 2010, 12:30:31 AM »

Obama Abandons Israel to UN Feeding Frenzy

By Anne Bayefsky

In the past twenty-four hours United Nations bodies have engaged in a frenzied attack on Israel over the Turkish-facilitated effort to end the naval blockade of Hamas-controlled Gaza. In the process, the Obama administration’s Israel policy has been outed.

With virtually unprecedented speed and only hours to go before the Lebanese presidency of the UN Security Council expired at midnight on May 31st the Council unanimously agreed on a Presidential Statement – with American approval. And in Geneva, the UN Human Rights Council (HRC) unanimously decided to invent new procedural rules and hold its first-ever “urgent debate”, with no objection from the United States.

The Obama administration had options. In the past, the United States has avoided efforts to railroad presidential statements or resolutions through the Security Council by allowing only so-called “press statements” made on behalf of just some of its members.

It also could have put its toe in the water and waited until 12:01 a.m. when the presidency would have been transferred to Mexico, thereby slowing the campaign for a middle-of-the-night UN grenade lobbed without time for informed consideration.

Or the administration might have pointed out that the Council could spend its time dealing with international peace and security items constantly delayed or ignored, like an Iranian bomb or the torpedoing of a South Korean naval ship by North Korea.

At the Human Rights Council, the United States could have objected to the invention of the new procedure. After all, it joined the HRC specifically with the promise to end the one-sided fixation of the UN system on Israel. The HRC has carefully-drafted rules allowing it to hold exceptional special sessions. It also has a carefully itemized regular agenda and its fourteenth such session began on May 31st.

Today, the HRC was in the midst of agenda item three, the permanent Israel-bashing agenda item being number seven. All these procedures were thrown out the window and the political lynch mob let loose without a peep from the Obama administration.

Day two of the HRC’s “regular” session, therefore, saw the entire afternoon devoted to the flotilla incident, replete with accusations of massacres and genocide. The Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) made no effort to cover up the real point, namely, the rejection of Israel’s right to exist and the concomitant right to defend itself. Speaking on behalf of the OIC, Pakistan called for relief from “the yoke of Israeli occupation for the last six decades.” Another 30 speakers, both states and non-governmental organizations, are scheduled for Wednesday.

The OIC, Sudan and “Palestine” have now tabled a resolution for the HRC under an agenda item supposedly about “organizational and procedural matters.” A few hours ago the U.S. sent out signals that it will agree to their initiative if it is aligned with the Security Council statement. The vote, breaking more procedural rules, is expected to occur as early as tomorrow.

The Security Council Presidential statement paints the loss of life which occurred entirely in the framework designed by its Arab and OIC sponsors. All the civilians who participated in the flotilla are cast as humanitarians – including the armed thugs caught on video-tape brutally attacking Israeli soldiers. Gaza is made out to be a humanitarian problem arising in a vacuum.

There is no mention of its government’s dedication to Israel’s annihilation, no mention of the smuggling of arms into Gaza, and no mention of the use of such arms against Israelis. Consequently, according to the Security Council there appears to be no justification for Israel’s interest in the ship’s cargo or its legal blockade of an entity with which it is at war. In fact, the Presidential statement does not mention Hamas at all.

Instead, the Security Council calls for an “impartial, credible and transparent investigation conforming to international standards.” That’s code language for a repeat of the UN-sponsored investigation of the 2009 Gaza war. The investigation in that case produced the widely-discredited, but politically toxic, Goldstone Report.

It was headed by the former South African judge, Richard Goldstone, later exposed as an appointee of the apartheid regime who sentenced many black defendants tried under apartheid laws to death. It may turn out that the investigation in this instance is handed off to 9/11 conspiracy enthusiast and current UN special investigator on Israel, Richard Falk, who issued a statement yesterday in support of more “urgent action.”

The Obama administration chose to join the HRC despite the fact that the HRC’s reputation preceded it: the HRC has adopted more resolutions and decisions condemning Israel than all other 191 states in the world combined. Having made its bed with the Council, however, the Obama administration is now lying in it.

The U.S. statement during today’s debate, delivered by American ambassador Eileen Chamberlain Donahue, says “the United States remains deeply concerned by the suffering of civilians in Gaza.” It expresses no concern about the suffering of Israeli civilians, paying the price for weapons smuggled into Gaza including by sea.

The policy shift by the Obama administration away from protecting Israel from UN hordes was also in evidence last Friday at the close of the 2010 Review Conference of the Parties to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT). With the support of the President, that Conference adopted conclusions singling out Israel though Israel is not a party or subject to the treaty.

The agreed NPT document called for an international conference intended to force Israel to give up its (undeclared) nuclear deterrence capabilities without linking it to the realization of the country’s national security needs. And the United States promised to facilitate the 2012 meeting. By contrast, the Conference conclusions made no reference to Iran, which is a party to the treaty and in violation of its provisions.

In a formal statement delivered at Friday’s closing session, Ellen Tauscher, Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security, said: “The Final Document this Conference adopted today advances President Obama’s vision.” She called it a “forward-looking and balanced action plan” and described negotiations as resulting in “a thorough review and constructive outcome.”

At the meeting that was to have taken place today between President Obama and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Netanyahu was reported to have hoped for assurances from the President that he would not advance another UN-driven onslaught against Israel. In view of the administration’s willingness to participate in just such events days later, a positive response – and improvement in the Obama administration’s relations with Israel – is even more unlikely.

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« Reply #31 on: June 02, 2010, 01:59:39 PM »

Daddy was a Muslim and Barack, when talking about Haiti, could only say "our thoughts [pause] are with you".  He deliberately excluded the word prayers.  Newsflash BrackBrack:  prayer is fundamental to most religions.  He's a fraud who has learned to put on a face that others find acceptable, hiding he true feelings and agenda.  This is why Michelle needed a PR makeover and spent her first year in the WH learning how to talk without giving away what she really thinks and what she and BrackBrack would really like to accommplish.  What's more interesting is that Rahm's dad was a ranking member of Mossad.   

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« Reply #32 on: June 02, 2010, 03:27:40 PM »

The Clouds of War Are Gathering in the Middle East

By KT McFarland

Things in Middle East are quickly spiraling out of control. The Palestinians want to import weapons from Iran, to stockpile for the next war with Israel, but are prevented from doing so by the Israeli naval blockade. They realize they can’t stop the Israelis militarily, so they’ve turned to the world court of public opinion.

So, the Palestinians set a trap for Israel and they sailed right into it. Israeli SEALs boarded a ship in a Turkish flotilla supposedly carrying humanitarian supplies and were promptly knifed and clubbed by the so-called “peace activists” aboard. They didn’t use guns, but knives and steel pipes – which look harmless in the after-action photos. So does their cargo of the teddy bears,diapers and wheelchairs.

But not so the Israeli SEALs, who killed nine of the ship’s passengers in the melee. The UN moved speedily to condemn Israel. So did Turkey, Israel’s onetime ally in the region, which has now turned its sights to a bigger role in the Muslim world. So far President Obama has been neutral, condemning "violence" in general.

But the Palestinians have inched one step closer in their ultimate goal -- to separate the White House from Israel and then provoke a war. They’ll settle for the U.S. remaining neutral in the Arab-Israeli disputes; so far they’re close.

What happens when the next "peace flotilla" leaves Turkey bound for Gaza? Will the Israelis seize and search it? Will it end in more violence and condemnations of Israel? Or will Israel ultimately be forced to bow to world public opinion and end its blockade? Will Obama move from neutrality to condemnation?

The next few ships to challenge the blockade will likely be filled with more children’s toys and baby formula. But once the blockade is broken, those ships will be filled with missiles, weapons and ammunition bound for Hezbollah and Hamas.

But this isn’t really about Israel and the Palestinians. It’s about Iran and nuclear weapons and the Obama’s credibility in the region. After assuring the Israelis for the last year that they’re going to stop Iran’s nuclear weapons program with diplomacy and sanctions, they’ve privately resigned themselves to a nuclear Iran, saying Team Obama can contain it. They figure to force an Israeli-Palestinian peace deal that will turn the tide in the Middle East away from conflict.

The plan makes no sense to anyone other than Team Obama. The Iranians don’t want it, the Israelis don’t believe it, and the Palestinians are itching for another fight. Meanwhile the President keeps making those eloquent speeches that increasingly nobody believes. And the clouds of war are gathering.

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« Reply #33 on: June 02, 2010, 04:36:26 PM »

If I were more astute on biblical teachings I am sure I could find something that fits this scenario.  It's never a wise move to turn your back on Israel.
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« Reply #34 on: August 04, 2010, 01:10:43 PM »

U.N.: Israeli Troops Were in Own Territory When Lebanon Opened Fire

DEIR EL-ZAHRANI, Lebanon -- U.N. peacekeepers said Wednesday a cypress tree an Israeli soldier was cutting down just before a border clash with Lebanese soldiers erupted was in Israeli territory, contradicting Lebanese claims that their frontier was breached.

The clash Tuesday left a senior Israeli officer, two Lebanese soldiers and a Lebanese journalist dead and was the most serious since Israel and the Iranian-backed Lebanese group Hezbollah fought a brief war in 2006. It was a stark reminder of how volatile the border remains, even though both sides appeared to be trying to restore calm and prevent an escalation.

The Israeli soldier was cutting down the tree -- something Israel does occasionally to improve its sight line into Lebanon -- when Lebanese forces opened fire. The Lebanese army and a witness said U.N. peacekeepers intervened to ask the Israeli to stop cutting the tree, but Israel refused. UNIFIL, the peacekeeping force in southern Lebanon, has not commented on that.

Both sides claimed the tree was in their territory.

Lebanon acknowledged Wednesday that the tree was south of an official, U.N.-drawn boundary known as the Blue Line separating the countries. The line was drawn in 2000 following the end of a two-decade Israeli occupation of south Lebanon that began with a war in 1982.

However Lebanese Information Minister Tarek Mitri said his country disputes the Blue Line demarcation in certain areas, including the village of Adeisseh where the clash took place, and saw Israel's act in as a clear provocation.

"UNIFIL established, however, that the trees being cut by the Israeli army are located south of the Blue Line on the Israeli side," said force spokesman Lt. Naresh Bhatt. He said the peacekeepers were still investigating the clash.

Israel said the U.N. announcement clearly corroborated its version of events.

"Our routine activity yesterday was conducted entirely south of the frontier on the Israeli side and that the Lebanese Army opened fire without any provocation or justification whatsoever," government spokesman Mark Regev said.

Tensions along the border have risen in recent months. Israel claims Hezbollah, a powerful force within Lebanon, has significantly expanded and improved its arsenal of rockets since their 2006 war with help from its allies Syria and Iran.

However Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak sought Wednesday to calm the situation.

"I hope we will have a quiet summer and things will return to their normal course," he told Israel Radio.

An Israeli military spokesman said the army was continuing operations as usual in the area and pruning more trees on Wednesday. He spoke on condition of anonymity in line with military regulations.

Mitri, the Lebanese minister, said Lebanon had been notified in advance of Wednesday's
pruning under UNIFIL supervision and approved it. He said if Israel had done the same on Tuesday, "we wouldn't have had the escalation."

Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Andy David said the army was surprised by the violence because Israel carries out maintenance on the border regularly.

"Once a week, the army prunes bushes and trees on the border in coordination with UNIFIL, which coordinates with the Lebanese," David said. "There was nothing unusual in the procedure."

The border area where the clash took place has been a point of tension between the two countries in the past few years with several small incidents during which Lebanon accused Israel of crossing or encroaching on Lebanese territory.

"While (Lebanon) has respected the Blue Line and committed itself to respect the Blue Line, it has always affirmed that the Blue Line is not the international border and there are areas south of the Blue Line that are Lebanese territory," Mitri told reporters in Beirut. "The area where the tree was to be cut yesterday ... is south of the Blue Line but is Lebanese territory."

A fence that Israel erected may contribute to the confusion about which territory the tree is in. An Associated Press photo from Tuesday shows an Israeli standing on a crane reaching over the fence and into a wooded area, angering people on the Lebanese side.

But the fence does not match the Blue Line boundary in all places.

Lebanese and Israeli army officers and UNIFIL planned to meet later Wednesday along the border, the U.N. force's spokesman Andrea Tenenti said. The gathering had been planned before Tuesday's fighting, but it has taken a new urgency now.

Hezbollah did not take part in the latest violence, but the group's leader, Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, said Tuesday night that his forces would not stand by idly if Israeli troops ever attack Lebanese forces again.

Adding to the friction, more than 70 people in Lebanon have been arrested since last year on suspicion of collaborating with Israel.

In Beirut, security officials said Wednesday a former army brigadier general was detained on suspicion of spying for Israel a week after a current lieutenant colonel was arrested also on suspicion of collaborating with Israel.

Also Wednesday, funerals were being held for those killed Tuesday.

In the southern Lebanese village of Deir el-Zahrani, hundreds turned out as Lebanese Sgt. Abdullah Tufeili's coffin was carried through the streets.

His 3-year-old daughter, Zahraa, and 6-year-old son, Mohammed Jawad, marched behind their father's coffin draped in Lebanon's white, red and green flag as a military band played funeral music.

As Tufeili laid to rest in his grave, his father, Mohammed, held back his tears as he shouted: "You are a hero, you are a hero!"

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« Reply #35 on: September 27, 2010, 04:22:34 PM »

It is a time of war in the middle east.King Abdullah has said if the talks fail,a major war will happen this year.That there will be more wars after that.
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« Reply #36 on: September 27, 2010, 04:50:39 PM »

There will always be wars, it's what humans do.
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« Reply #37 on: October 05, 2010, 04:57:33 PM »

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Saudi prince killed servant, London court told

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LONDON — A Saudi prince killed his servant in their room at a luxury London hotel in a ferocious beating which had a sexual element, a British court was told Tuesday.

Bandar Abdulaziz, was found dead in bed at the Landmark Hotel in central London on February 15 this year, having suffered extensive injuries, including bite marks to his cheeks, the Old Bailey jury was told.

The 32-year-old had spent the previous three years traveling as an occasional companion of Saud Abdulaziz bin Nasser al Saud, whose father is a nephew of the Saudi king and whose mother is a daughter of the king, the court heard.

The servant had suffered "a series of heavy punches or blows to his head and face," leaving his left eye closed and swollen, his lips split open and his teeth chipped and broken, prosecutor Jonathan Laidlaw said.

There also were injuries to his ears and internal bruising and bleeding to the brain, as well as severe injuries to the neck consistent with manual compression, the court was told.

The prosecution said the victim had deep bruising to the back, a rib fracture and trauma to the stomach caused by heavy punches or kicks, the Press Association reported.

"The post-mortem examination was to reveal the ferocity of the attack to which he had been subjected before he died," Laidlaw said.

It was not the first time the victim had been subjected to beatings, including one incident after which his ear needed reconstruction, he said.

Closed-circuit TV cameras had caught Abdulaziz being hit by the defendant in the hotel lift on January 22 and February 5 and outside a restaurant on the night leading up to his death, Laidlaw said.

Saud had said his aide had been attacked and robbed on a London street three weeks before his death.

Laidlaw told jurors the 34-year-old prince now admitted the killing. He denies murder and one count of grievous bodily harm with intent.

Saud said he and his servant were "friends and equals" and that he was heterosexual, jurors were told.

But Laidlaw said:" The evidence establishes quite conclusively that he is either gay or that he has homosexual tendencies."



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« Reply #38 on: October 29, 2010, 02:52:18 PM »

Another bad year for Middle East journalists?

By Barry Neild

(CNN) -- By all accounts, it's been a bad month for journalism in the Middle East, with claims of arbitrary arrests, publications forced to close, threats made against TV station executives and bloggers jailed.

Add to these the publication of a new global index on press freedoms which paints a very sorry picture of Middle Eastern countries -- and all-in-all it appears to have been a bad year.

"Actually, to be honest, this isn't a drastic change from previous years," says Soazig Dollet head of the Middle East and North Africa desk at campaign group Reporters Sans Frontieres (RSF), which produces the index.

The Middle East countries aren't the only ones to score poorly in the RSF Press Freedom Index. This year the Paris-based group has highlighted concerns about a drop in standards in some European Union nations.

And though Iran, Yemen and Syria languish near the foot of the table, they are joined by China, Cuba and Vietnam and still count themselves ahead of Turkmenistan, North Korea and Eritrea.

But with only four of the 20 Middle Eastern states or territories listed placing in the top 100 (Lebanon is the highest at 78), and precious few signs of improvement on previous years, it appears that something is amiss.

"This classification is extremely bad for the countries of the region and only reveals a greater trend which is the lack of general freedoms and democracy in most countries," Middle East media analyst Hanni Yasser Khellef told CNN.

"It seems that every time the region goes one step in the right direction it systematically goes back by two."

Says Khellef many of the problems arise from government control of the media, which is seen as the norm rather than the exception in the Middle East and points to broader, political issues.

"Most of these countries not only limit all sorts of political freedoms but they also firmly control opinion and leave absolutely no space to civil society," he says. "They also tightly control the internet."

He adds: "The main problem is that the regimes are totally incapable of opening up and liberalizing the media because they are so unpopular."

In its report, RSF highlights what it says are problems in Bahrain -- which has fallen from 119th place to 144th due to the "growing number of imprisonments and trials, notably against bloggers and netizens" in the name of fighting terrorism.

Bahrain insists it does not use government powers to silence opposition voices, and says it uses censorship is only to filter out pornography and websites that inflame sectarian tensions and incite unrest.

Kuwait, which has traditionally fared well in the RSF index, has also taken a dive from 60th to 87th place amid claims authorities have harshly treated a writer, Abdulqader al-Jassem, who has been arrested twice and detained over charges he attempted to overthrow the government.

Al-Jassem denies the charges saying he merely wrote articles criticizing the Kuwaiti prime minister and questioning Iran's influence in Kuwait.

In a separate case that is unlikely to improve the Gulf state's outlook, its prosecutors this month summoned several members of the Kuwaiti ruling family on charges of attacking a private satellite TV channel, Agence France-Presse reported. The agency says the family's lawyer has denied the charges.

Scope TV's studio building was set upon earlier this month by an angry mob after the station's director claimed on a talk show that the ruling family's ancestors had attempted to overthrow the government half a century earlier.

Authorities have pledged to bring to justice those behind the attack. Kuwaiti lawmakers, meanwhile, have variously condemned both the mob and the TV station for airing the comments that led to the incident.

There are other examples, including in Egypt, which despite showing some improvements, still sits at 127th on the RSF list.

Egyptian blogger Abdel Kareem Nabil Suleiman is currently serving a four-year sentence for "spreading information disruptive of public order and damaging to the country's reputation, incitement to hate Islam and defaming the president of the republic."

Egyptian authorities have not responded to CNN's requests for comments on the case.

Says Khellef, Egypt's low ranking is particularly disquieting because of its significance in the region. "Egypt is probably the worst in a sense as it has always been, historically, the center of Arab thought and home to some of the best editors and newspapers," he said.

But are allegations made by RSF and others unfair attempts to judge the region's attitudes towards press through western eyes? Perhaps, concedes RSF's Dollet, but this argument founders, she says, when considering international standards that most of these countries have pledged to uphold.

"On a daily basis I am told the press index is not fair because it does not take into consideration specifics of Middle Eastern countries," she said.

"It's true, but we don't take into consideration specifics of any countries in South America or Africa either. These are countries in the Middle East that ratify international conventions, declarations of the United Nations, and they engage themselves to respect these conventions."

There are, however, some positives, with both Israel and the Palestinian territories showing marked improvements. Adds Dollett: "Nothing is black and white, there is some good news."

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Israel celebrates its 63rd Independence Day

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JERUSALEM –  Israel's somber memorial day for fallen soldiers gave way to Independence Day celebrations at nightfall on Monday in a sudden, stark annual transition ceremony.

At Mount Herzl in Jerusalem, Israel's national cemetery, Israelis kindled 12 huge torches to signify the start of the holiday marking Israel's 63rd birthday. Soldiers marched in formation, and fireworks lit up skies across the nation on a mild spring evening.

Speaking at the ceremony, Israeli Parliament Speaker Reuven Rivlin noted that deep divisions exist within Israeli society over political and social issues. He complained that over the past year, there have been many attempts by groups to silence their opponents. "Neither side, right or left, is deserving of boycott," he said. "No ethnic group is deserving of shunning."

Cities and towns set up outdoor stages for singers and dance troupes to provide entertainment late into the night.

In contrast to Memorial Day, when Israelis visit to cemeteries and share tales of survivors and sad recollections of wartime losses, Independence Day is a joyful celebration when people flock to picnics, parties and hikes in natural reserves. Fair, comfortable weather was forecast for Tuesday.

Military bases were opening for visits, and the Israeli air force planned flybys over much of the country as part of the festivities.

The country uses the occasion to award the Israel Prize, a prestigious recognition to top minds in the fields of entertainment and academia. Among this year's winners is Shimon Mizrahi, the legendary chairman of the Maccabi Tel Aviv basketball team, which lost in the European championship's final game on Sunday.

Israel also holds its annual Bible Quiz, in which young Jewish scholars from around the world compete in the presence of the prime minister.

Government statistics showed that Israel's population grew by 155,000 since last year to 7,746,000. The Central Bureau of Statistics said 75 percent of the population is Jewish, 21 percent is Arab, with the remainder belonging to tiny minorities or immigrants who are not Jewish.

The grouping of mournful Memorial Day with Independence Day celebrations is intentional, to show the link between the costly wars Israel has fought and the establishment and survival of the Jewish state.

The state was founded on May 14, 1948, when the British mandate over Palestine ended, setting off a bloody two-year war. The Arab state envisioned by the U.N. partition plan never materialized, as the West Bank was captured by Jordan.

Israel celebrates its Independence Day according to the Hebrew calendar. Palestinians, in contrast, mark May 14 as a day of mourning, calling the creation of Israel "al-Naqba," Arabic for catastrophe, resulting in hundreds of thousands of refugees, lost land and houses — issues that plague would-be Mideast peacemakers to this day.

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« Reply #40 on: September 17, 2011, 01:54:43 PM »

An e-mail to me from Senator Durbin (D-Ill) dated September 14, 2011

Thank you for contacting me to express your concerns about U.S. financial assistance to the Palestinians. I appreciate hearing from you on this important matter.


Since 2003, there have been multiple restrictions on U.S. aid to the Palestinians, including a prohibition on funding for any program that would recognize or honor individuals involved with acts of terrorism. All U.S. assistance to people in the West Bank and Gaza is audited annually to ensure that funds are not being diverted to terrorist groups and are being used to encourage Palestinian efforts to construct a successful state and become a responsible partner in peace negotiations


Palestinians should have a safe and sovereign homeland and a voice in deciding their own destiny. But these goals cannot be achieved at the expense of Israel's sovereignty or the safety of Israel's citizens.


If the Palestinian people are to realize their political aspirations, Palestinian leaders must unequivocally recognize Israel's right to exist, call for an end to armed aggression against Israelis, and reject the use of terror and violence. They also must commit themselves to enacting real reforms - including improving transparency and building strong civil institutions. Economic assistance can help the Palestinian Authority reform itself.


Israel remains the most important U.S. ally in the Middle East and the only stable multi-party democratic state in the region. I have been a strong supporter of Israel throughout my service in Congress. The strong and stable friendship between our two countries, built on a solid foundation of shared values, mutual assistance, and trust, is in the fundamental interest of both countries.


President Obama has repeatedly stated that resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict will be a top priority for his Administration. I am pleased that the peace process will be a focus of our nation's diplomatic efforts and I continue to hope that, despite their violent and bitter history, the two parties can reach a mutual agreement that will bring peace and stability to the region. In the long run, there is no alternative. Israelis and Palestinians are neighbors and must find a way to live together.


I will keep in mind your views regarding aid to the Palestinians and will continue to stand firm in my support for Israel. Thank you again for your message. Please feel free to stay in touch.
Sincerely,




Richard J. Durbin
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« Reply #41 on: July 22, 2012, 04:36:10 PM »

I have this thing about treading lightly where Israel is concerned.  You can believe or not but rarely has a nation, regime, or person stood the test of time after turning it's back on Israel. I do not think we should ever be on the opposite side of that country...it's not only biblical it's historical. JMO.

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« Reply #42 on: July 22, 2012, 04:42:59 PM »

If I were more astute on biblical teachings I am sure I could find something that fits this scenario.  It's never a wise move to turn your back on Israel.

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« Reply #43 on: July 22, 2012, 05:34:31 PM »

Do Not turn your back on Israel.
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